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  1. paulcrider
    August 27, 2013

    I think saying open borders would abolish sweat shops is a strong claim, especially if you mean it will happen on any kind of quick time frame. But open borders would give workers in developing greater bargaining power (merely by the existence of the option of exit to higher wage markets), which could manifest in higher wages and/or better working conditions. This is even for the people who would stay put.

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  2. Nathan Smith
    August 29, 2013

    I’m not sure whether the term “sweatshops” is sufficiently well-defined that a claim like “open borders would abolish sweatshops” could be either true or false. Doubtless, there would still be workplaces where people work hard enough to sweat, and for pretty low pay, too. It’s likely that the worst working conditions in the world would vanish within a generation or less under open borders, not because they would be prohibited but because people would have better options. This is just a variation on the general “double world GDP” theme. “Open borders would abolish sweatshops” doesn’t seem like hyperbole, and as it’s less abstract than “open borders would double world GDP,” it might bring the message home to people.

    Still, there’s a general problem with bleeding-heart emotional appeals for open borders. Probably they’re somewhat persuasive, but they don’t do much to prepare people for the likelihood that open borders will lead to a lot more visible suffering in, say, the streets of San Francisco or Boston. Open the borders and a lot of Bangladeshi sweatshop workers would come here. They would set up shantytowns in the outskirts of major cities. They’d know very little English at first, and some of them would never learn it. Probably, after a transition, the vast majority of them would earn more than they did at home. Doing what? Mowing lawns, serving as drivers for the elderly, weeding and harvesting fields, building houses– open borders would trigger a huge building boom– cleaning streets, eldercare, child care… lots of things.

    But let’s not leave out this one: SWEATSHOPS! Open borders would lead to a major re-industrialization of America, as decades of outsourcing jobs to cheap-labor China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, etc., would go into reverse. In the medium run, factories follow workers. Industry had to move to institutionally sub-optimal places because workers weren’t allowed to move the other way. Under open borders, industrialists would build factories on American soil and recruit Third World workers to come and work in them. They’d avoid all sorts of problems with doing business internationally and with operating in developing countries. But the same economic logic that keeps wages low and working conditions poor in Bangladesh would still basically operate. Admittedly, the regulations are different. Also, Bangladeshis’ options would have improved considerably under open borders and they’d be in a better bargaining position than today. But still a much worse bargaining position than native-citizen, English-speaking Americans. Almost certainly, wages in US-soil sweatshops would be higher than in current Bangladeshi sweatshops. Working conditions would PROBABLY be better, too, though it wouldn’t shock me if in some cases working conditions were even worse, as employers relied on higher wages to lure workers to live in temporary misery as they save for a better future.

    To be clear, I favor all this. I strongly favor it. By all means, open sweatshops full of toiling foreigners on US soil. The wages and working conditions will horrify us. So be it. They’ll be an improvement in the short run and a bigger improvement in the long run, relative to what these people had at home. And maybe evoking in people a humanitarian horror at sweatshops will inspire them to do what it takes to alleviate the problem in the long run, even if in the short to medium run it will bring the horrors closer to home, render them more visible. But it will take a lot of unsentimental tough-mindedness along the way, if we’re ever going to open the borders and better the lot of man.

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    • Paul Crider
      August 30, 2013

      Assuming the opening of borders would/will be gradual and piecemeal, you raise the point that arguing for further opening will always be hard-going. We’ll be in the unenviable position of defending shantytowns and new slums as stepping stones of progress. Poverty will be more visible to rich folks even though it will be diminished in absolute terms.

      Minor quibble with your comment: I think under open borders industrialists will build factories in all sorts of places. There are other rich places that will have greater densities of relevant expertise etc, and labor will remain cheaper in the developing world for a long time (just less so). There are after all natural barriers to migration.

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    • panorain
      November 15, 2015

      They’ll just go on welfare. Why should they have to work for such long hours for so little pay when it is easier to get free housing, free medical care, free social security, free iBama Phones and free Freedom Cards from all the rich white people.

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  3. dontforgetwtcsh
    October 7, 2013

    Well The author MR Humanist apparently is living in his own romanticized world, where people cross border, shake hands and live in peace. Well my “Humanist, the reality is different. The immigrants once reach a certain percentage of population would then have conflict with natives. Then there would be a series of riots and conflicts, like the ones happening in India btw natives and illegal bangladeshis. But hey none of u self styled “humanists” would see that coz the “immigrants” lives far away from ur gated homes isn’t it??

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    • John Lee
      October 8, 2013

      In Malaysia I and my friends live in the same neighbourhoods as and interact with workers from India, Bangladesh, and Nepal. I don’t have any problems with them, and they don’t have any problems with me.

      One of my best friends literally lived next door to a house crammed with restaurant workers from the Indian subcontinent (we’re pretty sure it’s been set up as a dormitory by the restaurant). They lived in a pleasant middle-class neighbourhood. There’ve never been any problems there, even though the workers come and go at all hours of the day and night.

      Blaming social unrest purely on people’s country of origin is simply a lazy way out. What do you blame it on when there’s domestic rioting in India? Do you make the argument that domestic migrants should be deported since there’s no way they can live in peace?

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  4. panorain
    November 15, 2015

    It is pretty obvious that open borders would reduce GDP at the countries liberating their migrants. So obviously reduced GDP means those countries are poorer. How can the open borders people possibly justify making poor countries even poorer?

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